table tennis shakehand grip techniques


Welcome to EmRatThich. Happy New Year ! Today is 01/01, our 1st Ping
Sunday in 2017. I will explain the most important tips / advices
of how to hold the table tennis racket correctly based on Chinese technique. This is the part 2. But firstly, I want to share with you a true
story … I’m the fastest improving player in my club. There’s an amateur young player who always
watch my training session. One day, I asked him “Hi Vic, how long have
you trained?” “8 years …”.
“What ! You have trained 8 years and still …”. I saw a sadness in his eyes
Another day, I watch his training session for beginner player. He is very motivated. But he holds his racket like this …
Vic can’t loop properly with this grip. He can only block the ball. Poorly Vic, it’s a waste of time to train
with this bad grip … And the coach didn’t correct him even during
8 years. Oh no ! He didn’t have enough time or he didn’t
want how to correct ? I feel sad and angry …
That’s is the true story that leads me to make this video. Before showing what is the good grip based
on Chinese philosophy, I want to discuss with you Your comment encouraged me a lot. Sometimes I just want to give up making videos. It takes to much time of my weekend to make
video. I do not want to make a bad video, but I also
have 2 young kids any many other tasks. I am very happy with your feedback and I continue
I have a problem and I need your advices. Please comment and I will decide based on
your advices. I don’t mean to put down others. I just want to improve the coaching as I know
the fastest way to improve is to show the players or the coach about their errors. But if it hurts I would stop it. I need your opinions. Now, I will show you the most important key
points to remember before holding your racket There are many good guides showing you how
to hold the racket correctly. For example: All about table tennis, PingSkills,
ButterFly Magazine, Killerspin, Greg Letts, Ping Pang Wang, Expert Table Tennis and others…. But it seems that these 3 key points of a
table tennis grip has not been clearly explained …
First keypoint, due to the hand anatomy, you can hold your racket by 2 muscle groups: Group 1: You hold mainly by little finger,
ring finger and middle finger (compartements 6, 5, 4) Group 2: You hold mainly by thumb and index
finger (compartement 1, 2, 3) Table tennis player are mainly taught to hold
the racket as holding a normal object by using the muscle group 1 (little, ring and middle). But do you know that the muscle group 1 is
also the extensor compartments of the wrist. By using the group 1, the wrist rotation is
blocked, less freedom. You can verify it yourself. Now, hold your index, ring and middle finger
STRONGLY and try to rotate your wrist from (left – right). If you hold your fingers very strong, you
can hurt your wrist ! Now try the group 2. Try to pinch STRONGLY by using your thumb
and index finger and try to rotate your wrist. You can see that the group 2 less affects
the rotation of your wrist. Your wrist has smore freedom with group 2. So please remember holding a table tennis
racket is different than holding an object. Try to hold firstly with only your thumb and
index (pinch). Using this muscle group will let your wrist
can freely rotate, which is very important in table tennis. Then slightly put your middle, ring and little
finger on the racket. The main applied force comes from the thumb
and the index (group 2) but not from the group 1. Chinese coach says that “If you hold the bat
correctly, someone comes from your back can suddenly pull it out of your hand”. That means you shouldn’t hold your racket
firmly, but hold it loosely and by the thumb and index. This is the best way to hold your racket,
as your wrist can freely rotate, and the racket is at the same line with your arm, which is
crucial to loop correctly. The second keypoint: Holding your racket as
compact as possible. Look at the photo, the finger are close together,
which makes a very compact and solid grip. There are many advantages of holding compact. First, the more you compact your finger, the
less uses of compartement 4, 5, 6, and more freedom of the wrist. Second, a compact grip provides a better feeling
of the ball as your fingers are close together, it’s clearer to feel the ball. Third, a compact grip makes a better support
when you want to apply pressure on the grip. Try to seperate your fingers on the handle
and you can feel that it’s harder to support your stroke, especially for BH to FH transition. You can understand now why Zhang Jike has
a very compact grip. A compact grip is crucial for him, as his
weapon is BH flip, BH counter attack which require an absolute freedom of the wrist. His BH-FH transition during rally is very
fast too. Please remember: – You should never hold your racket and block
your wrist. Using wrist is a must in table tennis. Use your thumb and index to hold your racket. Loosen your little, ring and middle finger
on the handle. – Make a compact grip. Put your fingers close together. Your index finger should be very close to
the handle. If you put it far away from the handle, it’s
easier to block, but not good to loop the ball. If you have a wrong grip. It’s time to correct it now. It’s very hard to change your grip after a
long time of holding a bad grip. However, if you succeed to correct it. You will discover a new horizon of your table
tennis. You will discover that it is much easier to
do some techniques that you can never do it before… If you are a coach, it’s much more important
to show your players the principle, the keypoints of holding a racket than showing “hold the
racket like this, hold like that”.Because if the player understand the keypoint, they
can improve their grip, and adapt their grip based on their playing style. That’s it for today. I will show the 3rd principle, and how to
hold a penhold racket Next Ping Sunday ! Happy New Year & See you, EmRatThich.

100 comments

  1. can you please make a video on how to master the 3 distances-after the ball bounces,when ball is before the peak point,at the peak point and after the highest point …….in detail (thank you)

  2. let me tell you the truth,you are the hope for those players who lacks coaching and resources but against all ,want goldmedal for country and believe you me its possible…..so keep making the videos on and on….thanks from the bottom of my heart for all the knowledge about tt….

  3. its funny that the very first time I tried the finger hold exercise my wrist made a cracking noise by rotating it and pressuring the bottom 3 finger while i didn't do that with the thumb and pointing finger. It shows the legitamacy of your advice. I did hold it the right way before since you explained the flare handle blade video wich really helped to improve putting extra power and spin on the ball. Thank you!

  4. With all due respect to all subscribers to this channel but I have a strong feeling that some people are really exaggerating on their criticism. I really think that some people are trying their best to stop the table tennis lessons on this channel with no obvious reasons. So please whatever you're doing just stop it. You can't at least insult my intelligence. You are being too harsh with no obvious reason. You are deliberately making a great deal of almost nothing. I don't know what the hell is wrong with you but enough is enough. Let the man do what he loves the way he likes. What I'm talking about here has name and that is Freedom of expression and freedom of speech. If you don't like this channel just unsubscribe and ignore the whole thing. Enough with your headache. Show some respect to the man and his work and to all the rest of us too.

  5. Hey I love your videos, don't ever stop. my game has improved a lot with your training videos. I usually don't leave comments but… your videos Re just too good

  6. Coach EmRatThich, I must admit Coach, When I heard story about your friends, the same thing happened to me and i cried a bit, I have played table tennis for 4 years back in 2013 and never improved my game, after i learn from your videos, it changes everything, my play style, my equipment, and my model player, so Coach, please keep teach us with your videos, YOU ARE THE BEST. criticism make us stronger but never be sad about it, when first time i saw Ma Long, i dont like him, but when i look back about his story and suffering under the shadow of Wan Hao and other player, it changes my mind, he never give up, he keep working, practice more and more, so now he become a true LONG (The Dragon The Hero (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE5_LWm3tt8)), Thank you so much, Coach EmRatThich.

  7. i watch this video yesterday morning,and in the afternoon i try to hold my racket with my thumb and index finger,then my friend say "hey,,you are playing in different level now!!!"…hahahaha,,,,thank u so much sir!!! all your video make me improve so fast,even i just train for 1 year,,lot of my friend shocked with that..

  8. Really insightful, but I don't see you speaking about the exact placement of the thumb. How and where it should be placed?

  9. plz do not stop correcting other coaches' mistakes…this helps in their learning as well…not only players but coaches also need to learn properly

  10. Your videos have made my New Year very Happy! Thank you for your great videos! I am benefitting as I help run a small club in Pennsylvania, USA and there is no one to coach us and we have learned to play without proper technique. Your videos are a gold mine. Not only am I enthused to use them for myself, but they give me confidence to show the best way to play to those who have less experience. I have even emailed out your links to others. So all your hard work and time invested is well worth it to people around the world! I wonder if the people of China are upset that you may help the rest of the world catch up. Ha Ha! As far as your question, I think it is good to compare other coaching methods if they are not the best. It helps me.

  11. I've been watching your videos for a while now. You are very unique and i love how you implement the science and philosophy behind it. It makes much more sense. Please keep doing what you're doing. I think you do a great job. If you are worried about insulting other coaches, maybe not mention their name, or hide their face or something. I think it's not a problem though. There always will be people that like to make you feel bad for no reason. I love your videos!

  12. I hope you don't stop making videos I think you have the best highest quality information, out of any of the other regular table tennis youtubers. I mostly watch only your videos, and pro matches slowed down. Don't stop criticizing bad coaches or prayers that you believe are wrong. There is already to much propagation of incorrect information in the west for this sport, don't listen to any naysayers. Please look at my question, in your tensor vs Chinese rubber comments. In short I asked if Rakza x you can still learn proper technique as these rubbers are much harder than tenergy.

  13. Hi there, I would love to get you advice on this. I am a Jpen player for many years. And would love to continue. But I only play with one side of the blade – traditional push and attack. Do you think there is a future to Jpen? I haven't had trouble with my push style at my current level. Is it worth learning the RPH Wang Hao style with Jpen? I use the senkoh 5 with Sriver on FH. Any recommendation? Thanks so much you videos are the best in YouTube! =D

  14. I really appreciate your videos. I use jpen. Will Chinese techniques become effective using Jpen? You may please help. Thank you very much.

  15. I'm enjoying you video's great work. Is there anyway you can separate your Table Tennis Channel from your gaming one? I keep getting loads of notifications with gaming videos.

  16. Hi EmRatThich. Where did you find the clip where Liu Guoliang talks about different grips in the first part of the series?

  17. Yes, keep making videos, that person is just trying to stop you from coaching. Pointing out bad technique in a positive way is a positive thing. Many people and coaches go through life not demanding excellence. These type of people try to pull you down to their level. Don't let them. That is their problem not yours. Keep being great!!

  18. I like these videos a lot. this particular topic is my weakness. I have struggled with my grip for the last 6 months, experimenting and frustrating. Unfortunately, this technique didn't work for me either because it made my forehand loop horribly weak. My search continues

  19. You are absolutely an awesome coach. Keep up the good work while showing your attention to your children. You can prepare these videos much faster, I believe in you :).

  20. You don't have to force yourself to make videos. You need to take care of yourself first before you help others. 🙂

  21. @EmRatThich…hry firstly i just wanted to say that ur videos are great and probably the best TT tutorial videos on youtube.secondly can you help me wiyh someyhing…its that i play pure chinese style with chinese equipment and you may not agree with me but in my opinion DHS hurricane 2 in max and hard sponge is the best rubber out in the market and with booster its a monster. i have used it on my backhand and sometimes twiddle the racket to use for forehand amd this rubber has done wonders for me and been a nightmare for my opponents with my hurricane king blade ( 2005 edition ) as the 05 & 06 editions were not only best in quality but for me there is not any other wooden blade that comes anywhere close to any other wood blade in terms of performance, but only the earlier editions. hey firstly is a KISO HINOKI 1 ply blade good for chinese style of playing as i have heard nothing but praises about them and want to give it a go but i have never seen any chinese player use 1ply HINOKI blade and so I wanted to know that shud i give it a try as i prefer all wood blades compared to carbon blades and since i use power from the ground and use my hips and body to move that power into my hand and release it in full force when hitting the ball. I know how this technique works and how to get full potential out of it as I was a national level boxer and there as u also know that u press ur legs to get power from the ground and make that power travel to the hand and release with full force at the exact same time when my punch used to hit my opponent and that is the reason why players and coaches also rarely if ever return my smashes or flat hits.recently i tried playing chinese penhold style. first i played with my shakehand bat un penhold style and then got penhold racket woth LP (ox) on my forehand and DHS H2 on my backhand and RPB for me i realized is just as easy as it was with shakehand and with slightly increased spin too. so now i am thinking of changing to short pips wid sponge on forehand as i m finding my forehand getting stronger in penhold style. so can u plz tell me the main changed i would need to make to change from LP ox to short pips and finally and this is most important, there are many different sponge thickness in SP rubbers. which thickness is best for good speed but great spin and best deception and can u tell me name of 2-3 SP rubbers with these characteriatics which will be perfect for chinese style playing and in wat thickness?I will be waiting for ur reply and it wud be great if u can send me an email for the regarding the same and we can further discuss there a few other of my queries. i wud be really greatful if u can do that. my email is with GMAIL and user id is – himanshuyadav725regardsAnshuwaiting for ur reply at the earliest as i have to buy SP rubbers ASAP

  22. Please continue with your training method video. The improvement can be enormous once we understand what is right and wrong. ✌👌👍

  23. EmRatThich, thanks for sharing your knowledge. Your videos really explain things clearly and most importantly effectively. Keep doing what you are doing. However, please make sure you have time for your family. Take a break from time to time. Have a Happy New Year and thanks again.

  24. You have hit it right on the nail, for years Ive been teaching most of these techniques, and now you have fully explained it, chinese secret is also hard work that they do and are dedicated

  25. dear EmRatThich!
    even tho I am an advanced player I always find myself learning new stuff my coaches never taught me! it's great that there are people like you that are willing to share their knowledge and experience I really appreciate it thanks a lot and keep making your fantastic vids!

  26. The time when a table tennis player learned the basics and continue to improve then it is necessary to know the wrong, and sometimes much much much more necessary. So keep showing the wrong things and analyze those.

    ** If it is possible, make sole videos on general mistakes and also the mistakes around the world

  27. My opinion is your coaching really have a huge impact improving my ping pong basic technique. Thank you very much EmRatThich Coach. You should add another coaching! Foundation of basic technique is crucial. Never dishearten with people comments. People follow what they want to follow.

  28. thank you very much I improved my wrist motion and grip, now I have much more stable bh and fh loop and spin, and control after pendlum serve in the game after return, and attack on third ball and even in the rally…weaknees of my play is ball under table I must train harder and practice the recovery ball under the table when ball falling down to the floor to get back, thank you very much, keep on with his great advice, love to learn more from you about this beautiful sport.

  29. Don't change anything Master.  Your technique of pinpointing and correcting is exceptional. I am 57 years old and am getting better from you instruction. Don

  30. Seus vídeos são ótimos, excelentes! Continue a fazê-los, pois nos ajuda a aperfeiçoar a técnica em Tênis de Mesa, principalmente apara os jogadores de países em desenvolvimento. Grato!
    Francesco, Assis, SP, Brasil.

  31. salut je joue actuellement avec un bois primorac off- et j ai ce sentiment que le manche du bois est trop petit est ce vraiment grave ? de plus lorsque je passe d un top coup droit a un top revers je dois adapté ma prise je sais que certain pro font ca mais ca va trop vite pour moi ^^ pourtant j ai regarde la video (tres bien au passage) et je tiens la raquette de la bonne maniere merci bien

  32. thks for your vid, my backhand improved amazingly just in one day and similarly my serves get better (both backhand and forhand serves). The only remaining point is the transition between BH and FH somewhat awkward, maybe need more time to get used to with the change of grip. (formerly i used backhand dominated grip, however, the new grip helps me release more power from wrist with less effort, what a pleasant surprise!)

    Of courrse the overall performance is not as good as usual due to the change of feeling, but most of them come from the abundant of power which can be adjusted easily within one or two weeks.

    super thanks to you!

  33. I have a story for everybody here: I am a photography aficionado, I took 3 semesters of photography at university and after many years I realized that all I learned in those 14 months, I could have learned it in 1 or 2. I would have liked to have a better teacher, he was definitely bad in teaching. Now I check for tips in different websites and I have learned much more and I wouldn't mind somebody telling me I had a bad teacher because it is the truth. So, coach EmRatThich you keep making your videos THE WAY YOU LIKE, include as many anecdotes, experience, jokes or comments that you feel you have to include, it is your style, you are never disrespectful, you never put anyone down, you never mention names or negatively criticize anybody.

    Since the very beginning you have explained that you teach the Chinese system and obviously you believe this is the best one, whoever who disagree has many other choices online! You do this for free and you do it with passion, you have a personality and a specific cultural background (just as everybody else), so please, do not apologize for expressing yourself the way you are, do not apologize because you are doing a great job, you are offering a service! Thank you and congratulations for your channel. Merci, félicitations et bon courage.

  34. Thanks for these videos. I'm enjoying them! I use to have to fingers on my back hand… My coach in the UK never explained to me it was wrong… I learned to fix it myself however. Grip affects your wrist a lot so yes, this video is very good.

  35. i really love all your coaching vdeos, its very helpful to me and to all table tennis lovers, keep it up!

  36. The BEST coach explain "deep grip" (push handle all the way into the hand)
    as player I understand why I need "deep grip" now. (feeling the ball better now !)
    and also changed my grip to "Compact deep grip". (Backhand improved !)
    Thank you for all great videos.

  37. hi sir can you give me an advice to strenghthen my grip because my grip is weak i also followed your advice in this video but still my grip is weak. thank you

  38. EMT to hold the paddle mostly with the thumb and index is the best tip someone has gave me, none of my coaches had taught me that. Last month I sprain my wrist performing a backhand loop and though that would kill my table tennis career, but I've been using this technique and feel more confident to perform powerful backhand strokes again.

    Don't stop making videos, they're very helpful for all level players.

  39. Continue making videos
    Im in Botswana Africa your videos motivate me to train harder as a young athlete
    I love your videos

  40. Probably you are the best coach i have ever seen. I also wanted a coach like this. You have cleared my 100's of doubt by your videos.

  41. And please make your new video on concept' in pai' . And i hope it will help me to improve my game more frequently

  42. Omg, just had a practice session with a good coach today.
    He told me I that I don't grip the handle correctly. He said I had a backhand grip and that my three fingers was to high on the handle so my wrist was not free
    After taking the three fingers a bit lower I felt the wrist loosen and the forehand loop more effective, yet after so many years this small change is so difficult for me, I had a hard time controlling my shots and was very confused during matches
    Do you think I should change the grip after so many years?

  43. Hi sir..
    I'm following you since a month and i think u hv a very colorful mind.
    And many of my are swwing your video now…
    And please dont stop uploading you video please..
    Iam penhold grip player and in just 1 month i have improve a lot..
    .
    Thank you sir…
    Feels great to be your students..

  44. I hold a shakehand grip and have taken ur expert advice in grip. You have stated that u mostly apply pressure to the index and thumb and loosen the other fingers. In another video, u have also stated that holding the racket tense is very bad and u must be very relaxed. So should i hold the thumb and index tight and firm or loose?

  45. Hi coach, I need help for the grip of my bat please. I don't know which rubber do I have to use as a FH rubber or as a BH rubber. I've seen Timo Boll or Ma Long using the black rubber as FH and the red one as a BH. But there's other players that do the opposite and I'm confused. Can you help me? Thank you.

    P.-s. I really love your videos, they are the ones that explain and teach the chinese philosophy of table tennis better IMO. Have a nice day 🙂

  46. my hand is to big for my racket, when i carefully try to do the step my index finger can nearly go around to the FH side^^
    What to do? Buy a larger racket?

  47. К сожалению я не знаю английского и китайского.
    Вы всё правильно делаете когда , даёте ссылки на другие каналы.НЕ СОМНЕВАЙТЕСЬ!!!Те кто говорит о корректности и уважении к другим каналам и тренерам не думают о тех кто хочет научится ПРАВИЛЬНОМУ НАСТОЛЬНОМУ ТЕННИСУ.А когда на тех каналах учат неправильному или не совсем правильному то тогда они обманывают людей.И получается что тех нужно уважать даже если они учат не тому что надо? ГЛУПОСТЬ!!! Делайте дальше то что делали.Для тех кто не говорит и не понимает по английски и по китайски это единственный канал где ГЛУБОКО И ПРАВИЛЬНО говорят о теннисе.Хотелось бы чтобы ВСЕ ВАШИ видео имели перевод на русский, т.к. многие у нас хотят играть лучше и правильнее, но не владеют языками, а видео у Вас ОЧЕНЬ ИНТЕРЕСНЫЕ И ИНФОРМАТИВНЫЕ!
    P.S.Большое спасибо!

  48. You are awesome teacher… many people know how to play very well where as you are very good in explaining as well… your videos helped me a lot…
    I could learn international level techanic sitting at home due to your videos only

  49. Hi i play with a super anti rubber on my backhand and im having problems with mastering its techniques plz plz plz plz can u make a video about anti rubber playerss i love ur videos sooo muchhh they are so helpful and i told my friends about ur channel and they love it too because of ur tips ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  50. First video of your channel I'm watching and it's simply amazing. Loved it. Thanks. I'll surely watch more of your videos!

  51. Thank you, Coach, for your video tips!
    I'm trying to follow your advice on all wood blade and hard rubber combination. Could you tell me which rubbers and blades you can recommend that are inexpensive yet good enough for a beginning to intermediate shake hander? I live in Los Angeles area.
    Thank you!

    Gene

  52. Hey coach …please help me .. M practicing a lot but still m not able to perform during match …I don't have enough quickness to hit shots from backhand to forehand or forehand to backhand suddenly .. so please make a video on how to increase quickness on table

  53. Hello coach ERT . Where the point of pinch position in table tennis bat ? . Little left or in the middle point ?

  54. Dear coach Emratthich, you’re such a great coach. The more I play, the more I realize and discover that your lessons are so true and worthy. After I applied this lesson (correct bat grip), my forehand attack has drastically increased its consistency and speed. You’re truly a great promoter of table tennis. Hope you’ll keep inspiring us this way. My best wishes for your future endeavors🏓😍🙏.

  55. I am watching this channel for about two years now. The knowledge presented here helped me to develop my game and to become a much better player. Grip, timing, body movement, new trend in table tennis, footwork and "in pai" – all tremendously helpful. I even started to better understand the rubber "game" and thanks to the video on rubber and boosters (and the "new trend in table tennis" video) I am now using a hard, sticky Chinese rubber which is quite the exact opposite of what my fellow club members are using (factory boosted tensor rubbers). EmRat Thich is my #1 source for table tennis wisdom!

  56. Hi. I have problem with my forehand hold of the racquet. I hold the racquet nicely for the first return but as the rally goes on, my grip will become loose. Instead of only index finger, the other two fingers (middle and ring) also come in to support hold of the racquet. Due to this I am losing my forehand flexibility to play effective topspin and also back hand block. However when I play a backhand shot my grip or hold of the racquet never changes and the shot goes perfectly. I need your advice in overcoming this problem. Thank you for the videos.

  57. having the grip like this works great for my forehand but when i try and maintain the exact same grip for my backhand it just gets weird. the position of hitting the ball is super unnatural and i look crippled. My issue is the time that it takes to change grip and i don't know what i should focus or nor what kind of grip i should use for my backhand. Any tips would be great.

  58. Coaching is a tough job , but someone who does merit All respect . Those ready to listen will improve , the others will stand stationary . The seed will grow in good earth . Thanks for sharing.

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