Watercooled and Overclocked Radeon 5700 XT… Was it worth it?



all right so 5700 XT waterblock time it's kind of funny that we got water blocks before we got custom cards I mean how could this take less time to fill up figure out in machine when all that brands really have to do is just make the plate sort of match up with the new core and then however they want to handle the rme and all that but whatever that's besides the point today we are checking out the special edition vector block from ek one of the things that makes it different ooh ribbed for my pleasure today's video sponsored by drop in the sennheiser pc 37 x professional-grade gaming headset sennheiser is known for their legendary sound quality and gaming headsets are known for the legendary suc quality but now you can have the best of both worlds without compromising mic quality making it the perfect choice for gamers and professionals alike the detachable ten-foot cable and 3.5 millimeter plugs ensure maximum compatibility while running your own amplifiers without taking up an additional USB slot to learn more about the sennheiser pc 37 x from drop click the link in the description below so this is our reference 5700 XT we do have an MSI model as well which is just again a reference with a sticker on it but this is the one AMD sent it's been running super position now for about 30 minutes maybe a little bit less on loop so we can get it nice and hot because we want to check right now is what out of the box with the stock fan curved edge temp and hotspot temp is or TJ match or T Junction to see how much we're gonna improve with the waterblock now we know already from previous testing with not just this card but all the way to the Vega series heck all the way back to fury as well that the better the temps are the better you're gonna have with when it comes to the boot self boosting and the boost clock and all that sort of stuff no different with the video and one of the way the boost clocks work with GPUs doesn't matter if it's Nvidia or AMD is if you have power limit overhead and you have temperature overhead then the clocks will go higher and sustain themselves now yes we can go into global walkman and we can lock those settings and all that and we can trick it we can play the fan curve and all that sort of stuff but the point of today's video is I want to see by just taking out of the box settings touching nothing which is bleed or not the way most people operate their graphics cards they take them out of the box they stick them in and off they go they might play the slider a little bit but I want to see what will happen when we just take a water block and put it on so we're gonna compare things like edge temp t.j.maxx we're gonna also or they call T Junction we want to see well probably do a 3d mark time spy extreme because that's a huge load on the GPU just to see what happens to our graphics core because we already know that if we can keep the temps down we keep the clocks up and it keeps the power draw down as well the cooler it is the less power it actually draws so that's why you also have a different conversation between TDP and max thermals and all that sort of stuff they're not the same like TDP is not necessarily power draw and it's not necessarily temperature it's there's a weird correlation between a few different things that are happening there so what we're gonna compare here today like I said what are times by extreme score is and what our max temperatures are now in terms of getting max temperature we've been running super position here for approximately 30 minutes now just looping looping looping I don't have my thermal camera on but I dared Phil to touch the back of the core cuz I don't if you guys know on the back of this card the core is exposed you can actually see all the SMT SMDs and stuff he touched it and nearly burned himself it's hot the back plates hot the cooler shroud is hot everything about this card is hot a factory fan curve is extremely conservative where it's favoring high temp over acoustic with just making everything keep soaked really really badly so this would be even hotter if it were in a chassis and it wasn't exhausting very well so let's go ahead and hop in here to global watt man well the Walkman and the suit our temperatures were so our GPU max was 1932 and our temperature was 84 C if we come down here to T Junction you can see they're currently the same right now but it's not showing us Oh Jung shin temp 98 C now these these seem extremely out of control but they're not and we covered that with the Radeon seven in fact Nvidia cards do the very same thing but just like CPUs and stuff they tend to favor either an average or like an edge temp to make the temps look better than they really are every die has a hotspot at an edge temp so AMD's is being forthcoming with at least showing you those temperatures now I wish in-video would do the same thing so now that we've got those numbers recorded my super scientific way of recording it right here and then we want to see our averages here our average was 79 to 92 so what we want to see is if there's gonna be any sort of improvement there now what I'm doing right now is I'm gonna go ahead and just let the card cool down because even right now it's still sitting in the 60s that fan curve is extremely extremely conservative so what I want to do right now is I just want to go ahead and max out our fan to cool it off in between tests right now so that's what the card sounds like it 100% pretty typical blower cooler but they because we couldn't hear it at all even though we have the AC on right now and it is 100 degrees outside today so we want to control the environment without introducing too much ambient temp it's amazing how much they really favored noise over performance but that's the thing you don't need a water block you can go into the settings and you can play at that fan curve and if it were inside a case it would be muffled even more but it's like we're cooling off our shroud is still kind of warm here though we want this to be nice and cool it's a gret 34 and 34 33 so I'll probably wait for it to hit about 30 31 and then what we'll do is we'll just do the time spy run like I said and we're only gonna be looking at graphic score that's all that matters in this test so while the system is rebooting here I decide to go ahead and plug in the digital RGB header to our Asus board and you can see it there the radion it's got a nice gradient to it don't they it kind of sucks is if you're not vertical mounting this in a case you see no lighting from the direction that you actually you know I guess wherever this goes in we're at the vertical mounted aren't we Phil all right so our graphics core was a 39:45 our original score when we first tested the press drivers was a 39 27 I think it was so yeah we are definitely right in line with where we're supposed to be we're not seeing any craziness so yeah we saw the temps we saw our score now so now we've got to go ahead and hot you know we gotta cool it off and then we're in a solvable all right so here it is featuring the special edition block which as you can see they they made the milling kind of match the factory card they put the dent in there too although it's not a real dent that's just the way it's it's milled I kind of wish they'd put it in the same spot and made it kind of carry over into the chrome so it's not in a different spot or whatever I also chose not to use the back plate they provided I'm using the factory back plate because I feel that this looks better I don't like nickel back plates with ASUS Hall blocks if I have a nickle block not to be confused with nickel back if I have a nickel block I then go with nickel back plates so I don't like it mixed and matched like they sent it to me I just like the way the factory back plate looks cause it still says Radeon I've tested this in the past where once your water cooled the front of the graphics card there's not nearly as much heat soaking through to the back if you're using an air cooler or at least in this case the factory blower cooler right here because they're using these thermal graphite pads which I don't think are nearly as good at transferring heat I feel they've got an abundance of this left over because it discontinued the Radeon seven which is why we're seeing it here I believe gamers Nexus did a video where he used thermal paste instead of the this the graphite pad where the temps came down don't quote me on that I didn't see that video I believe we talked about it though in person briefly so whatever let's go ahead and hook this up let's get a 240 ml rad on here because I believe that's going to be plenty and of course we've got to hook up our digital RGB because we want to see all the Radeon letters glow again [Applause] okay so up and running here the same pumping reservoir that we actually use when we do our ice bucket stuff with the the gamers Nexus challenges that we do alpha cool radiator we got our metallic gear fans and of course our ethical fittings tubing and then our EK water block i forgot to mention this though and i and i do this every time i forget to put the link down below and i apologize if i did that again this time but please check down below i'll put a link to these I fix-it kits I know they sponsor a bunch of tech youtubers I'm not one of them my wife bought me this for Father's Day like two years ago and it's got all the fittings and stuff that you would need to work on your own computer so every time I show these kits people gasp me a million times like where'd you get it what kid is that so it comes with all the stuff you would need like the sputters and this is actually a kid that you'd use for fixing like a phone but obviously you can use it for computer anti-static strap and all that sort of stuff so anyway they're not that expensive and they've got every fitting bit you would possibly need to work on electronic so like I said not a sponsor but if you guys want to help out the channel there's a link to the description but in description below to where you could buy that on Amazon alright so up and running first things first alright so our idle temps are at 31 on edge temp 32 on junction temp that's pretty much the same as what the air cooler was doing with its factory curve and the reason for that is this GPU Navi when it goes idle pulls back the clock as far back as six megahertz at least that's what's reported I don't know what the true megahertz are but every monitor we've looked at it said six we're currently running sixty one megahertz because we have the time spy screen open so that's why we're not really seeing an improvement to temperatures at idle because the power draw is got to be stupid low at this particular frequency so we're gonna do right now is we're gonna go ahead and leave global watt man open all settings are factory hitting reset just to be sure okay there we are factory and we're gonna run time spy extreme now we're only looking at the the graphics core because we can compare that to our first run and we will see how much the score increases I believe 39:29 was our official benchmark run when we did the review and it was slightly higher than that by like a couple of points when we did our tests prior to this we want to see if the waterblock is improving any of the boost algorithm or how far it can go by just keeping it as cool as possible so original squirt launch with a 3929 our score at the start of this video with the non tres drivers with the reviewed early release drivers were 3945 and now we're a thirty nine ninety four so we've gained almost 70 points in time spy extreme which is actually a lot times why extreme is extremely difficult to run we gained a full FPS but the reason for that is if you look up here this temperature drop our junction temp down to 41 see our assuming our junction temp down to 62 see our edge temp down to 41 brought up our GPU frequency to 2007 remember we were at nineteen thirty five I believe it was Phil can annotate if I'm wrong so we gained additional piece date or turbo clock because of the thermal Headroom it's no surprise though that Nabby and Rison and Pascal and touring and all that scale with temperature they'll lower the temps the longer you maintain the boosts clocks and the higher the blue box can go so if you look at the frequency curve though that orange line right there at seventeen ninety eight eighteen sixty nine eighteen seventeen nineteen thirty-one Peaks up to two thousand seven right there but our power draw is also slightly higher our max power draw was 193 watts versus our previous run which is actually 166 watts but that's because we went with a higher target or a higher clock frequency for a longer period of time it pulled a little bit more power but that's fine though I mean we're we this card is running so much cooler we could actually touch the back of the GPU core with all the smbs without burning yourself I would highly recommend not doing that if you're running a factory card but if you want to test it yourself and you're running one of these 57 next 100 X T's with the blower cooler I dare you to touch the back of it but any injury you sustained it's totally on you not me so what do we do next Phil you think we should overclock this real quick or just let that be that 41 64 and all we do is flick a single button but it maxed out at two thousand eighty six our temperature forty-four and seventy two what we're doing as stupid dirty overclock apparently doing it wrong we just maxed the power power limit and then we locked the minimum frequency at twenty fifty and the max is twenty one 50s we're given one hundred megahertz to play around with there we're trying to keep the the low from going down and then we allowed it the maximum at a voltage at once so this is kind of like the way he would almost overclock like a like a Kepler base card because you don't have voltage control anymore on on Pascal or touring as justly because through here doesn't crash we know we have the temperature Headroom it doesn't crash immediately that's probably a good sign so we played around with a couple of different things the manual overclock we got up to over it was like forty two thirty nine and then auto undervolt actually brought us up to four thousand forty two without touching anything so just auto under bolting give us enough additional power limit and temperature limit to where the card automatically boosted itself to what two thousand thirty eight megahertz and forty two C on the edge temp 65 C on the junction temp but this brings up a really interesting conversation that we have to talk about so we just got our highest score yet 4251 but if you look at we did it on a stock card with a stock cooler why is that well that's because silicon lottery I got to the point to where no matter how cool you keep the card you're only gonna get so far with it so brings up the next discussion is water cooling the 5700 XT worth it well only you can answer that see here's the here's the logic I always employ when it comes to is it worth water coin I'm a water cooling enthusiast it's it's a fun mod I like to do I enjoy it I enjoy the problems that come with it half the time the other half of the time I don't enjoy it that's kind of how that works but usually the logic I will always preach to people and I try so hard to instill is if you have to sacrifice buying a more expensive graphics card to afford the waterblock that makes no sense because you're not going to make up the performance difference by water cooling and overclocking a lower-end card than just buying the faster card with an air cooler in this case there's nothing higher than the 100 XT Asterix Radeon 7 which this score nearly beats but there's nothing higher than 5,700 XT if you're only willing to buy AMD because you take the price of this particular block north of 120 dollars for an ek waterblock and add it to the $400 price point of the 5700 XT put you smack dab in the middle of the starting pricing for 2070 super sort of Nvidia now if you're the kind of person that's like I don't care what brand the card is I just want the best performance I can get for the money I have to spend then putting a water block on a 5700 XT doesn't make FPS sense or financial sense because although these scores are doing very very well if you look at synthetics and some gaming benchmarks it approaches 2070 Super territory approaches like 2017 on Super territory for sure but the 27 is gone and the 27 is super now would make more sense in terms of getting FPS per dollar but there are plenty of people that are out there that are like hell no I'm never buying an Nvidia graphics card in which case this still may or may not make sense to you because we just showed that by sticking with air and just putting a stupid fan curve on there with the same settings we got the same scores and so that means when the AIB cards come out with their aftermarket air coolers you're gonna get these level of scores without the hairdryer sound effect that comes along with the blower style card if you've already got a blower style card and you're just waiting for water blocks and this whole video made no sense to you anyway because you were already planning on doing it so our recommendation would be if you're a water cooling enthusiast and you like to water cool then who cares what we have to say or anyone else do what you want to do and what you like but if you want to maximize your money might makes more sense to spend the 50 ish maybe $75 premium that you might find on the overclocked custom PCB air-cooled cards that are coming in the future over going in the water block that's always been our recommendation it's never changed and no matter how many times I preach it people still challenge what is water proving stupid some people it is stupid but not to people like us and I happen to think that we people are the ones that matter no I'm just three people all of my personalities would agree that water cooling is fun but I still like I said would not recommend buying a lower end card toward alright guys thanks for watching hopefully you learned something today I sort of validated and invalidated water cooling all in one breath that's how we like to do things around here controversial

40 comments

  1. I don't usually comment on these vids ( just a like ^^ )… but… Those beats. What song?

    It isn't Sandstorm by DaRude is it? ๐Ÿ˜›

  2. Hi Jay, thank you for all of you're video's, I've been watching you for that last year and finally bit the bullet and did my first watercooling rig (hard tube) it looks sooooooo good and it's all thanks to you (and a bit of bitwit) cheers, keep up the good work buddy!!!!

  3. @ 15:00…..so, do you honestly recommend a 2070s for ~150$ more over a 5700xt , which is actually faster in a few particular games ?!

    /watch?v=_l9FjSLf6sg&t=555s

  4. I know there's a lot of computer people out here! Questions for you guys. I built a pc for video editing and I wanted to hear people's thoughts on it: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/cwalk17/saved/mdDJbv

  5. Hey jay, can you make a video on those M.2 Heatsinks that have a fan? Iโ€™ve been seeing a few on amazon but i donโ€™t know if they really help with temps.
    Iโ€™ve been hearing some heatsinks make the m2 drives hotter and in some instance ruining them so i was wondering if you could look at a few different ones for sale on amazon?

  6. have a prime b450m-a motherboard and updated the bios last wk and whent to set docp for memory ddr4 3000 on ryzen 2600 . but after update bios noticed there was settings in memory config all the way up 4200 . before update would only show 3200 . did the update raise the limit on the ryzen 2600 .7/29/19

  7. @JayzTwoCents in no relation to this video sorry, i saw a video of you saying gaming chairs are not good for actually gaming and i am starting to agree. I've had a vertagear for a couple of years now and its starting to absolutely wrecking my back and butt after a few hours. Any suggestions of a brand or chair you would use? Again sorry its on this video, i couldn't find the other one.

  8. It's way off the subject but have you seen this "NEW Nissan GT-R Nismo: Is It Worth $212K? Road And Track Review" ?

  9. "Approaches 2070 non super".
    Ummm you mean beats it?
    It wont beat the 2070super but it absolutely beats vanilla 2070…

  10. Jayztwocents i have a question how much vibration does it take to damage any pc part and how to know when too you have to much of it?

  11. Iยดam watercooling my brain so i can use more of it without overheating…But…it seems that itยดs not scaling with temperature like those gpuยดs…

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